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Wintermute:
不代表Wintermute小姐的个人意见。不代表阿催的意见。不说明第六纪里这到底是什么。

Wintermute:
来源:https://www.reddit.com/r/Shadowrun/comments/o2iasx/hackerrigger_ar_in_matrix_but_his_body_outside_is/

--- 引用 ---啊,我可以把我最喜欢的(或者是最可能的理论)搬到这里了。超链是一种觉醒者,他们施法,他们吃耗竭,他们召唤怪东西,他们在乱搞自己精华的时候失去能力,他们启蒙,之类,之类。

根据背景故事,魔法响应人们的观点和他们的信仰,所以有不同的修士和各种流派的法师。哪怕不提那群施法者,也有上亿的家伙把矩阵当成信仰。而这肯定有什么(魔法的)效果。超链是魔法使用者这码子事很符合背景,而且符合"魔法x机器"的设定,而且也符合游戏机制。还有?淦,宅客当初介绍的时候可是被当成赛博萨满的。

从另外一个角度来说,没有什么更好的解释。外星人?太偏题了。AI?行吧,但是怎么做?背景发展到现在,甚至有人发现有那么一堆纳米体在人脑里造碟板。"嘿,鲍勃,那他妈是啥?"不谈这个,这种说法也太和游戏基调冲突了。进化?进化不是这么一回事,根本不是。

阿催的无穷智慧也没告诉过我们什么,所以这些玩意全是意淫,但这至少是符合背景的意淫,符合游戏机制的意淫,也是符合游戏主题的意淫。

啊对,如果有超链召唤精魂,那矩阵就有点恐怖元素了(那矩阵里也有horror了?)。现在的矩阵可能不只是机器,所以你(po)从这种角度讲,说的也有道理。

现在我们谈谈常有的争吵。

"但是,托尼,你不能同时觉醒还浮现!规则这么说!" ->
"当然,但很可能是因为你没法觉醒两次。同样,我们也知道你没法同时当全才法师和修士,所以我们有秘修这种玩意。"

"但是tableXYZ说过浮现猴子比觉醒者更少!"->
"这是一种新的怪觉醒方式,而且大多数家伙还没见过浮现者,所以,是的。"

"但是泛智能物种不能当超链!"->
"谁说的?为什么不能?世界上已经有超链植物和超链动物了。我相信我们很快就能找到一个超链娜迦。"

而这些家伙从来没给过我更好的解释。奥卡姆剃刀这次站在我这边。
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剧透 -   : Ah, a chance to bring up my favorite theory/most probable explanation.

Technomancers are awakened. They cast, they suffer drain, they summon things, they lose abilities when they [email protected]#$ with their essence, they initiate, etc.

Magic responds to belief and perspective, per the lore. That's why we have different adepts and all the flavors of magicians. And there's billions of people that believe in the Matrix. It was bound to have some effect. Technomancers being magic fits the lore, fit the theme of the game "Magic meets Machine", and fits the mechanics. Also? Come on, the Otaku were introduced as cyber shamans, FFS....

Also, there's no better explanation. Aliens? Radically changes the game. AI? Ok, fine, but how? At this point in the meta story someone would have noticed a bunch of nanites building decks into people's brains. "Hey Bob, what the [email protected]#$ is THAT?!". Also, it kind of changes the game tone. Evolution? Doesn't work like that, at all.

CGL in their infinite wisdom (grumble) isn't telling us, so yeah, it's all headcannon, but it's headcannon that fits the lore, the mechanics, and the game theme.

And yes, if there are technos around summoning sprites 'n stuff, it introduces Spooky into the Matrix. It might not be all machine at this point, so you kind of have a valid point.

And now to head off common arguments:

"But Tony, you can't be Awakened and Emerged! The rules say so!" -> "Sure, but that's probably because you can't be a magician twice. Also, I'm old enough to remember when you couldn't be an adept AND a magician, and now we have mystic adepts."

"But table XYZ says it's so much harder to see Emerged than Awakened!" -> "It's new and weird and most people haven't seen emerged, so yeah."

"But metasapients can't be technos!" -> "Says who? Why not? We have emerged plants and animals, I'm sure we'll eventually have a technomancer naga."

And they never have a better explanation. Occam's Razor is on my side.
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Wintermute:
来源:https://www.reddit.com/r/Shadowrun/comments/ny1y7e/monads_essence_and_cyberzombies/
关于单子能否转变为赛博僵尸


--- 引用 ---我会说不。当它们把自己写进一个脑子里的时候,它们就不是"通常"的AI了。不管它是什么,它都需要一个灵魂,一个个性,精华...而这一切将会在精华低于0的时候消逝。唯一的例外就是赛博僵尸,而且(如果我不是被误导了)哪怕他们也需要某种赛博死灵法术把他们的灵魂绑在他们的身体里。一旦精华归零,灵魂依然会"想"逃离这个存在位面,而只有赛博死灵法术能阻止它们。单子的代码需要一个大脑作为硬件,所以(从我的观点看)单子的软件不仅仅是个性,还有某种"灵魂"(当然,如果精华归零,它依然会想逃跑)。
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--- 引用 ---剧透 -   : I would say no. When they're supposed to write themselves in a brain - so they're no "normal" AI. Whatever it is, that's needed, a soul, a personality, essence... it is lost, when the essence is below 0. The exception of course Cyberzombies. And (if I'm not mistaken) needed some sort of Cybermancy to bind the soul to its host. When the essence is below zero, the soul still "wants" to escape this plane of existence and only Cybermancy is preventing that. The code of the monads need a brain as hardware - so it seems logical (imo) that its software is not only a personality, but some kind of "soul" as well (which wants to escape, if the essence is below 0)
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